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	<title>Comments on: Bots? In my 7447?</title>
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		<title>By: xKime</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>xKime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;There are no bots on 7447.

You mispelled &quot;players.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;There are no bots on 7447.</p>
<p>You mispelled "players."</p>
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		<title>By: bps</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>bps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Oh also all the bots that would have played in 7447 [...]
&gt;Although I don&#039;t (and never have) run it in 7447 [...]

ok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Oh also all the bots that would have played in 7447 [...]<br />
&gt;Although I don't (and never have) run it in 7447 [...]</p>
<p>ok</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be assuming you are the only person who has written a tenhou bot... mine is currently 2 dan. Although I don&#039;t (and never have) run it in 7447 (because I&#039;m not a cock) doesn&#039;t mean you can assume someone else hasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be assuming you are the only person who has written a tenhou bot... mine is currently 2 dan. Although I don't (and never have) run it in 7447 (because I'm not a cock) doesn't mean you can assume someone else hasn't.</p>
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		<title>By: bps</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2918</link>
		<dc:creator>bps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh also all the bots that would have played in 7447 will have green bars rather than red/blue bars under their names, assuming they didn&#039;t change my original code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh also all the bots that would have played in 7447 will have green bars rather than red/blue bars under their names, assuming they didn't change my original code.</p>
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		<title>By: bps</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2917</link>
		<dc:creator>bps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody should be running bots frequently in 7447. I&#039;ve written about this before. 7447bot doesn&#039;t count because it doesn&#039;t play.

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/genericid/20090926/1253972376</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody should be running bots frequently in 7447. I've written about this before. 7447bot doesn't count because it doesn't play.</p>
<p><a href="http://d.hatena.ne.jp/genericid/20090926/1253972376" rel="nofollow">http://d.hatena.ne.jp/genericid/20090926/1253972376</a></p>
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		<title>By: OsamukoBot</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2910</link>
		<dc:creator>OsamukoBot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool story, broseph.</description>
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		<title>By: 4cr</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2897</link>
		<dc:creator>4cr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phoz loves calling me a bot :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoz loves calling me a bot :(.</p>
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		<title>By: umai</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>umai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRA and I obtained the bot&#039;s code for an amusing idea we had called &quot;BATTLEBOTS: TENHOU EDITION&quot; where we would try to come up with mahjong AI to program into our bots and pit them against each other. Since there were only 2 of us, we filled the remaining seats with humans by testing them in L7447.

Then came a great outcry followed by panic.

&quot;People are botting in L7447!&quot; they shrieked. &quot;This is as bad as people who bot FPS!&quot;

Hating on bots in shooters is normal because shooters are based on aim and bots should always be able to beat humans. Hating on bots in mahjong is dumb because mahjong is based to some extent on luck of the draw and even the Perfect Mahjong Strategy won&#039;t win all the time. (Not to mention the amount of work it would take to create a perfect mahjong AI -- our bots played at roughly an R1400 level.)

TRA and I realized there were plenty of beginners in L7447 and we didn&#039;t want to scare them away from mahjong so we withdrew our testing from the lobby. Unfortunately, the panic wouldn&#039;t die down once it had begun. With the bots gone but the terror still lingering on the masses, anyone who beat you in a game suddenly became suspect as a bot.

&quot;phoz is a bot! KoG is a bot!&quot; they cried.

Those of us in the know thought it was pretty funny so we started making bot jokes. Someone insulted your playstyle in that last game? &quot;It wasn&#039;t me, it was a bot!&quot; Even with frustrated bystanders calling for &quot;NO MORE BOT JOKES SRSLY&quot; it became somewhat of a commonplace taunt to make a bot joke about someone.

To this day I&#039;m not sure if anyone actually believes there are botters or if it&#039;s now some kind of meme that older generations use to antagonize the newer for laughs. However, I&#039;d be very surprised to see someone make a mahjong-playing bot since sending the correct arguments in calls to Tenhou is a pain and they kick you every time you get one wrong. Good luck with that :V</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRA and I obtained the bot's code for an amusing idea we had called "BATTLEBOTS: TENHOU EDITION" where we would try to come up with mahjong AI to program into our bots and pit them against each other. Since there were only 2 of us, we filled the remaining seats with humans by testing them in L7447.</p>
<p>Then came a great outcry followed by panic.</p>
<p>"People are botting in L7447!" they shrieked. "This is as bad as people who bot FPS!"</p>
<p>Hating on bots in shooters is normal because shooters are based on aim and bots should always be able to beat humans. Hating on bots in mahjong is dumb because mahjong is based to some extent on luck of the draw and even the Perfect Mahjong Strategy won't win all the time. (Not to mention the amount of work it would take to create a perfect mahjong AI -- our bots played at roughly an R1400 level.)</p>
<p>TRA and I realized there were plenty of beginners in L7447 and we didn't want to scare them away from mahjong so we withdrew our testing from the lobby. Unfortunately, the panic wouldn't die down once it had begun. With the bots gone but the terror still lingering on the masses, anyone who beat you in a game suddenly became suspect as a bot.</p>
<p>"phoz is a bot! KoG is a bot!" they cried.</p>
<p>Those of us in the know thought it was pretty funny so we started making bot jokes. Someone insulted your playstyle in that last game? "It wasn't me, it was a bot!" Even with frustrated bystanders calling for "NO MORE BOT JOKES SRSLY" it became somewhat of a commonplace taunt to make a bot joke about someone.</p>
<p>To this day I'm not sure if anyone actually believes there are botters or if it's now some kind of meme that older generations use to antagonize the newer for laughs. However, I'd be very surprised to see someone make a mahjong-playing bot since sending the correct arguments in calls to Tenhou is a pain and they kick you every time you get one wrong. Good luck with that :V</p>
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		<title>By: TACOS</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>TACOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell if you are trying to agree or disagree. 

Ponbot&#039;s last game played - 2009-08-27
It ran for a period of 3 days within August 09

Alvin&#039;s bot - last game played was in November 09
and it has never played in 7447 if ranking.pl is correct.

I am not trying to deny they exist. They just aren&#039;t around any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't tell if you are trying to agree or disagree. </p>
<p>Ponbot's last game played - 2009-08-27<br />
It ran for a period of 3 days within August 09</p>
<p>Alvin's bot - last game played was in November 09<br />
and it has never played in 7447 if ranking.pl is correct.</p>
<p>I am not trying to deny they exist. They just aren't around any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Speedwagon</title>
		<link>http://www.osamuko.com/2010/02/03/bots-in-my-7447/comment-page-1/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Speedwagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was expecting that rant months ago.

Yes, I played against bots, mittens and yakuhaiponbot if I recall correctly.

I also was accused several times of being one. 

As I experienced bots can&#039;t play that bad and higgledy-piggledy like I do sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was expecting that rant months ago.</p>
<p>Yes, I played against bots, mittens and yakuhaiponbot if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>I also was accused several times of being one. </p>
<p>As I experienced bots can't play that bad and higgledy-piggledy like I do sometimes.</p>
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