Comments on: whoa http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/ Mahjong stuff Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:38:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Senjo http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2834 Senjo Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:17:02 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2834 BUF: Furiten question, as explained by Jenn. http://www.reachmahjong.com/home/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=131&func=view&catid=5&id=51553&limit=10&limitstart=10#51643 I seriously don't want to antagonize the EMA, while people rail on the tanyao issue, it is an option to play it either way that isn't as fantastic as a blue 3s or a tenyou tile, and in that light can be accepted. The problem with the furiten rule is that it's been decided that the temporary furiten aspect applies and breaks like ippatsu. Riichi isn't Hong Kong with an exponential score and multiple digits. It's a game that implies a lot of strategic and defensive play that forced the implementation of restrictive and over-restrictive rules (to the eyes of others) on winning off discards. I don't think there will be a world standard for riichi rules, as options all have their fans, but furiten isn't an optional rule. As an external observer, I'd like to see it change, but in the end, it's none of my concern as long as what goes in europe, stays in europe if it's wrong. Anon: ML clients say EMA Riichi explicitly in their game. The betas were horrible but three months before their licence, they were up to spec, aside from my contempt for the interface. At least they attempted to fix their problems, unlike some pretending to be perfectly fine. Even tenhou is attempting to implement different changes over time. Some of the new stuff supposed to come out of them will turn some of the game rooms almost into a digital jansou. BUF: Furiten question, as explained by Jenn. http://www.reachmahjong.com/home/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=131&func=view&catid=5&id=51553&limit=10&limitstart=10#51643
I seriously don't want to antagonize the EMA, while people rail on the tanyao issue, it is an option to play it either way that isn't as fantastic as a blue 3s or a tenyou tile, and in that light can be accepted. The problem with the furiten rule is that it's been decided that the temporary furiten aspect applies and breaks like ippatsu. Riichi isn't Hong Kong with an exponential score and multiple digits. It's a game that implies a lot of strategic and defensive play that forced the implementation of restrictive and over-restrictive rules (to the eyes of others) on winning off discards. I don't think there will be a world standard for riichi rules, as options all have their fans, but furiten isn't an optional rule. As an external observer, I'd like to see it change, but in the end, it's none of my concern as long as what goes in europe, stays in europe if it's wrong.

Anon: ML clients say EMA Riichi explicitly in their game. The betas were horrible but three months before their licence, they were up to spec, aside from my contempt for the interface. At least they attempted to fix their problems, unlike some pretending to be perfectly fine.

Even tenhou is attempting to implement different changes over time. Some of the new stuff supposed to come out of them will turn some of the game rooms almost into a digital jansou.

]]> By: Morten Andersen http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2831 Morten Andersen Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:11:54 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2831 Oh and by the way the European championship has been officialy announced at the EMA site and several other sites. It will take place the 10th and 11th of July in Hanover. Oh and by the way the European championship has been officialy announced at the EMA site and several other sites. It will take place the 10th and 11th of July in Hanover.

]]> By: Morten Andersen http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2830 Morten Andersen Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:36:59 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2830 @Anon: Yeah, the statement you are quoting in the rules has an unfortunate wording (which could be why MT implemented it that way). What it really means is that if east goes mahjong or is tenpai AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE DRAW..... @Anon: Yeah, the statement you are quoting in the rules has an unfortunate wording (which could be why MT implemented it that way). What it really means is that if east goes mahjong or is tenpai AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE DRAW.....

]]> By: BIGGEST UMAIKEIKI FAN http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2829 BIGGEST UMAIKEIKI FAN Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:02:57 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2829 Senjo: What furiten flaw do you mean? Senjo: What furiten flaw do you mean?

]]> By: Anon http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2826 Anon Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:46:30 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2826 @Morten: Thanks, glad to hear it. @Senjo: I agree with you that Mahjongtime badly sucks compared to Tenhou, I was just in such disbelief that such a ridiculous rule could possibly exist and have persisted for as long as it has without someone having complained and resulted with it being fixed; looking at the EMA rulesheet, it stated under 3.4.12 - "East stays East if he declares mahjong or is tenpai. Otherwise, the deal rotates...". So yeah, I was beginning to suspect it was really like that, and wanted to know if that was really correct, and if so that I'd know never to try any EMA ruleset event. @Morten: Thanks, glad to hear it.

@Senjo: I agree with you that Mahjongtime badly sucks compared to Tenhou, I was just in such disbelief that such a ridiculous rule could possibly exist and have persisted for as long as it has without someone having complained and resulted with it being fixed; looking at the EMA rulesheet, it stated under 3.4.12 - "East stays East if he declares mahjong or is tenpai. Otherwise, the deal rotates...". So yeah, I was beginning to suspect it was really like that, and wanted to know if that was really correct, and if so that I'd know never to try any EMA ruleset event.

]]> By: Senjo http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2824 Senjo Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:26:43 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2824 Winning the hand takes precedence over tenpai checks. I think that's a universal statement. MahjongTime is horribly reactive to making their game playable. Check tenhou (best client out there) or any of the MahjongLogic clients (playable, chattable, they lack certain bits of specialization like showing partial hand scores when it's irrelevant, and always saying "game ends in mahjong!" when it's annoying as crap, not true, and for riichi, should say ends in ron, tsumo, or draw, but it is to spec with EMA rules, including the furiten flaw (which only really affects 2.5% of gameplay and strategy).) Seriously, if you ask us to help you play riichi on MahjongTime, you're SOL. Winning the hand takes precedence over tenpai checks. I think that's a universal statement.
MahjongTime is horribly reactive to making their game playable. Check tenhou (best client out there) or any of the MahjongLogic clients (playable, chattable, they lack certain bits of specialization like showing partial hand scores when it's irrelevant, and always saying "game ends in mahjong!" when it's annoying as crap, not true, and for riichi, should say ends in ron, tsumo, or draw, but it is to spec with EMA rules, including the furiten flaw (which only really affects 2.5% of gameplay and strategy).)

Seriously, if you ask us to help you play riichi on MahjongTime, you're SOL.

]]> By: Morten Andersen http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2822 Morten Andersen Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:52:31 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2822 @Anon: No this is not the way it is played in EMA tournaments. It is apparently the way it is implemented at MahjongTime for some reason though. @Anon: No this is not the way it is played in EMA tournaments. It is apparently the way it is implemented at MahjongTime for some reason though.

]]> By: Anon http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2820 Anon Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:22:41 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2820 Is it really normal in EMA rules that if East is tenpai, and someone other than them won the hand, they stay East? Is it really normal in EMA rules that if East is tenpai, and someone other than them won the hand, they stay East?

]]> By: xKime http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2810 xKime Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:25:30 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2810 Nashi with red dora = Gag. Nashi with red dora = Gag.

]]> By: anon http://www.osamuko.com/2010/01/22/whoa/comment-page-1/#comment-2804 anon Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:36:58 +0000 http://www.osamuko.com/?p=934#comment-2804 Drob is a mediocre player compared to the likes of Gemma Collinge Drob is a mediocre player compared to the likes of Gemma Collinge

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